You have a contact us and a reply form on the same page.. looks a bit weird. Just wanted to say I’m looking into Tina MVC.
WordPress technically already *is* MVC architected (in a way), so this may be overkill, templates = view, WP_query = model WP_Rewrite = controller.
With custom post types with post meta and custom comment types with comment meta, profile and profile meta, almost any data can be abstracted into the standard wp table structure.
I see a lot recreating the wheel here with your custom tina-mvc escape functions which are in core esc_attr() etc.. .
Have you checked out Rasmus’ no-framework MVC framework?
The form helper is good work though, I haven’t seen anything like that in WP core, or have I missed it?
I signed up for the 3MB €40/month unlimited usage with free local national & U.K calls and no line rental deal just over eight weeks ago. I was told initially that the end of June would be when I would “go live”. A phone call a week later informed me that it would anyday now but after that they confirmed end of June. After today’s (30th June) call to them, they said there was a technical delay and it would be mid August.
Should I take this as a warning and pull out of the deal and go with UPC or another non Eircom based broadband supplier?
This is a common trait with ISPs: the sales drones they will promise you the sun, moon and stars to sign you up. For example, NTL/UPC have been “promising” in my area for about 5 years and Imagine “promised” me last December (I didn’t sign up to either on the basis of their aspirational statements). Eventually I signed up to Imagine in May when they could commit that Wi-Max would be in the area within two weeks. To fair to them (this time) they lived up to their word.
You are between a rock and a hard place here – if you go with an alternative provider you will be locked in to a minimum contract period (usually 12 months).
One thing which you can approach Imagine about (and I have used this in the past) is to ask them if it is OK to use a Ripwave device (yuk) until the Wi-Max service is available in your area. Get them to commit to waiving the Ripwave contract when you upgrade to Wi-Max. Note that you may be in an area of marginal Wi-Max coverage anyway, but in that case it would be difficult for them to enforce a minimum contract. Make sure you establish their policy (in writing) if you pursue this route.
Another option (and one I couldn’t possibly condone) is to sign up for a 3G trial. Most companies will give you a month’s trial without obligation – just make sure you end your trial before the month is up and make sure there are no hidden charges. There are enough operators in Ireland to get you about three months of connectivity using this method, by which time Imagine should be over their technical difficulties!
The 3g dongle has an upgrade path too! Vodafone have a router device which takes the 3g signal from an inserted 3g dongle and wifi’s it along with allowing up to four Ethernet connections… Obviously the issue now becomes one of speed since four people cannot share 3g speeds happily… but they do try to claim up to 7.5Mbs… I doubt it… I’d say 3Mbs would be absolute tops!
either way at the moment the fastest, cheapest and most reliable from my travels in this sphere is Vodafone home phone and broadband… and they are pretty much as crap as all Irish ISP’s…
Wi-max seemed a good tech and i took the dive after expiencing Landline, G3 and UPC, Land line??? well good if you live next door to the exchange and the cable which connects you goes direct, I lived 2K from exchange yet when eircom tested the line themselves they told me i was 9.2K from exchange. G3 ups and downs. UPC good for a few months then had packet loss within 50K distance of 59.2% and outside ireland 89.5%, customer service ??? YES what customer service, got so bad asked them to cancel contract after 14 months, took 3 months more of billing, and eventualy forced them to terminate account when I told them that i would like the cable removed from around my house, if they did not remove it “I Would”. Then i got 2 visits from there cable teem within 24 hours. Still goile on, Now they are interested in my problems. Finally Wi-Max No accrss to Router, No access to ports, no access to torrents,no access to what the internet is about, SHARING INFORMATION FREELY. In my opinion there all good at selling and crap at servicing. Back to pidigons.
My general experience with ISP’s is the same – they all appear to go for the 90% (or even 80%) rule – 90% of your customers will take 10% of the effort. As a result if you need any level of customer support they just can’t manage.
As far as your access to the Wi-Max control panel goes – stick to your guns. I have been told “we aren’t geared up to give customers access”, “you might break it”, “it’s confidential”, “this isn’t a business class product” among other excuses. I asked about port forwarding and was told “you can call tech support and we’ll do it for you”. I use the device as a gateway to a LAN and server so I do need to be in control of my network. In the end I got the password to the unit.
I complained to Imagine about not being able to download a Fedora torrent on their Wi-Max network and was told “we don’t support your torrent software”. When I pointed out that I was able to download the same torrent using a Breeze connection at another location (also part of the Imagine network) and that I was able to support my own network and software (thank you very much) they fixed the issue.
Also this generic “torrents are evil” attitude really annoys me. Client-server downloads are network inefficient and, for a server, especially bandwidth hungry. Peer-to-peer networks make very efficient use of all this broadband we are suppose to have – think “green downloads”. I use torrents in preference to ftp/sftp anytime I can. And seeing as you are getting something like OpenOffice, CentOS or Ubuntu for free it is nice to be able to contribute in a small way by seeding for others. As you say Gthe1 that is what the Internet is about.
Blaming copyright infringement on torrents is akin to blaming drunk driving on cars – and banning cars will certainly eliminate drunk driving.
Traffic shaping, port blocking, firewalling just frustrate legitimate users and in my opinion turn your Internet connection into a crippled one – in other words not “of merchantable quality” and not “fit for its normal purpose”.
I have had my copyright infringed in the past, and was not happy about it. But I would wholly disagree with the tactics of IRMA and their overseas counterparts. Attacking our Internet connections will not protect a dying business model.
First trial: only 1 light signal strenght (in window near computer).can get 2-3 lights upstairs but no access for computer. Logged on to Imagine site ok but it requires more than 1 light. Will talk to service tomorrow. Location-Bray area-believe mast is on Royal Hotel -maybe 600 meters away
I just had a quick meeting with the chap from Imagine and initially I was charmed by the price and the range of service. However, I asked about torrents and P2P and the guy said not a bother and now I read your feedback and am rather dubious. Can any of you confirm beyond doubt that torrents are/aren’t available? I was rather puzzled by the announcement of Eircom blocking access to piratebay.org, where’s Imagine on that?
I had previously broadband with UTV Internet because using eircom lines they provide the same speeds plus the fact I can go unlimited after the promotional period (in the promotional period it was free for 3 months) for only €5.99 and I get the full access to MY router (if what I read here about imagine is true, well, it’s laughable) and suck the whole internet backwards and forwards without anyone telling me OH HEY THAT’S NOT ALLOWED.
I don’t remember what exactly is the contention ratio with UTV (chap from Imagine mentioned 24:1) but I can honestly say that never ever did my connection drop down below the designated speed, network was unreachable for no reason or the service was crippled in any way unless there was some huge problem with the equipment. I should also mention I had it at various locations over the past 3-4 years and at only one place I couldn’t get the full speed due to the fact that eircom haven’t got the right gear in place and once I found that out their customer support team adjusted the pricing plan to what it should be over the phone within the matter of few minutes and gave a refund for the time in between.
If what’s already said here proves to be a sad fact than I think I will go back to UTV, especially now that eircom is putting fibre power in my area anytime now and I can get all that via UTV without drawbacks from eircom.
Have had wimax 2 1/2 months now. In that time the phone has not worked for more than 3 minutes and the broadband would not function. They have now fixed the phone problem but the internet still drops off leaving local access only. On top of this the unlimited service we purchased (we specifically told sales person we do lots of downloads) gets capped midway through month and speed is reduced. This is done under their ‘fair use policy’ after more than 2 months of continuously complaining we have admitted defeat and are cancelling wimax to go to UPC. My advice? Do not touch wimax!
I ave had imagine wimax for 2 months now.. The connection speeds and everything is grand but i can’t download anything through bitlord or any other torrent client.. It’s kinda annoyin me, are we being blocked from doing this or is it just me? i can download the same torrent files on other internet connections.. Is there anyway that i can get them to allow this without saying “i can’t download films and music illegaly” ?
Iam not sure what to do with the web site. Is it for listening to the rocordings if it is i cant get it up.
Every thursday night in ryans was something realy special, ifelt moved like i was witnessing something of excellence and it was live in my local community where i recognicsed the same faces who were all there for the same reason. To move in your seat and want to dance on a thursday night after a weeks work addeded quality to my life. Thank you left. right and centre, and i wish you every happiness
Ann O Brien
I haven’t tried the plugin with Multisite, but I can’t see why it wouldn’t work, and it is on my to do list.
Download a development version from SVN and try some of the sample apps. If you have any problems let me know.
Update:
The stable version of Tina MVC works fine with WordPress Multisite. The plugin is enabled on a per-site basis and all sites share the same applications.
How can I share controllers and views on a multi site with domain mapping ? currently the sample pages only show on the main site and not on the others.
Hi Leo,
If you want to share the same controllers and views across all sites on a Multisite install then just create your controllers as normal and put them into the ‘app’ folder.
In each WordPress site you will need to activate the Tina MVC plugin. Each site will use the same set controllers, views and models from that ‘app’ folder.
Shout if you need more help.
1) Put the view file in the app folder (not in a sub folder). It is then accessible to all page controllers using $this->load_view().
2) Pass the location as a parameter to the $this->load_view() function. The location is always relative to the Tina MVC plugin folder. For example: $this->load_view( 'my_view_file' , FALSE , 'path/to/view/file' )
If you use the version of Tina MVC from the WordPress Plugin Directory then it is GNU General Public License, version 2 (GPLv2) licensed. In that case your Tina MVC application will also be GPLv2 and open source.
I can provide you with a commercial license for Tina MVC if you want. In that case you would not need to open source your app. Contact me if you need more information on this.
> Also any integration with jQuery UI/ extJS ?
There is no need for specific integration with the JS libraries you describe. Just add your JS file using wp_enqueue_script() – usually in the constructor of your page controller, or in the class method (if you only need it on one page). You can also put it in a SCRIPT tag in your view file if you prefer.
I usually use the WordPress supplied jQuery library for my Javascript or AJAX requirements.
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You have a contact us and a reply form on the same page.. looks a bit weird. Just wanted to say I’m looking into Tina MVC.
WordPress technically already *is* MVC architected (in a way), so this may be overkill, templates = view, WP_query = model WP_Rewrite = controller.
With custom post types with post meta and custom comment types with comment meta, profile and profile meta, almost any data can be abstracted into the standard wp table structure.
I see a lot recreating the wheel here with your custom tina-mvc escape functions which are in core esc_attr() etc.. .
Have you checked out Rasmus’ no-framework MVC framework?
The form helper is good work though, I haven’t seen anything like that in WP core, or have I missed it?
You are right… I’ll fix that and copy your comment and my reply to /tina-mvc-for-wordpress/
Thanks.
I signed up for the 3MB €40/month unlimited usage with free local national & U.K calls and no line rental deal just over eight weeks ago. I was told initially that the end of June would be when I would “go live”. A phone call a week later informed me that it would anyday now but after that they confirmed end of June. After today’s (30th June) call to them, they said there was a technical delay and it would be mid August.
Should I take this as a warning and pull out of the deal and go with UPC or another non Eircom based broadband supplier?
This is a common trait with ISPs: the sales drones they will promise you the sun, moon and stars to sign you up. For example, NTL/UPC have been “promising” in my area for about 5 years and Imagine “promised” me last December (I didn’t sign up to either on the basis of their aspirational statements). Eventually I signed up to Imagine in May when they could commit that Wi-Max would be in the area within two weeks. To fair to them (this time) they lived up to their word.
You are between a rock and a hard place here – if you go with an alternative provider you will be locked in to a minimum contract period (usually 12 months).
One thing which you can approach Imagine about (and I have used this in the past) is to ask them if it is OK to use a Ripwave device (yuk) until the Wi-Max service is available in your area. Get them to commit to waiving the Ripwave contract when you upgrade to Wi-Max. Note that you may be in an area of marginal Wi-Max coverage anyway, but in that case it would be difficult for them to enforce a minimum contract. Make sure you establish their policy (in writing) if you pursue this route.
Another option (and one I couldn’t possibly condone) is to sign up for a 3G trial. Most companies will give you a month’s trial without obligation – just make sure you end your trial before the month is up and make sure there are no hidden charges. There are enough operators in Ireland to get you about three months of connectivity using this method, by which time Imagine should be over their technical difficulties!
Thank you for your fast reply and good advice.
And yes I agree Ripwave (yuk)!
UPC looked like a good alternative but it’s not available in this area yet.
3G looks like an option but it limits itself to one user per dongle which means having to share and that’s an argument starting already!
The 3g dongle has an upgrade path too! Vodafone have a router device which takes the 3g signal from an inserted 3g dongle and wifi’s it along with allowing up to four Ethernet connections… Obviously the issue now becomes one of speed since four people cannot share 3g speeds happily… but they do try to claim up to 7.5Mbs… I doubt it… I’d say 3Mbs would be absolute tops!
either way at the moment the fastest, cheapest and most reliable from my travels in this sphere is Vodafone home phone and broadband… and they are pretty much as crap as all Irish ISP’s…
Wi-max seemed a good tech and i took the dive after expiencing Landline, G3 and UPC, Land line??? well good if you live next door to the exchange and the cable which connects you goes direct, I lived 2K from exchange yet when eircom tested the line themselves they told me i was 9.2K from exchange. G3 ups and downs. UPC good for a few months then had packet loss within 50K distance of 59.2% and outside ireland 89.5%, customer service ??? YES what customer service, got so bad asked them to cancel contract after 14 months, took 3 months more of billing, and eventualy forced them to terminate account when I told them that i would like the cable removed from around my house, if they did not remove it “I Would”. Then i got 2 visits from there cable teem within 24 hours. Still goile on, Now they are interested in my problems. Finally Wi-Max No accrss to Router, No access to ports, no access to torrents,no access to what the internet is about, SHARING INFORMATION FREELY. In my opinion there all good at selling and crap at servicing. Back to pidigons.
My general experience with ISP’s is the same – they all appear to go for the 90% (or even 80%) rule – 90% of your customers will take 10% of the effort. As a result if you need any level of customer support they just can’t manage.
As far as your access to the Wi-Max control panel goes – stick to your guns. I have been told “we aren’t geared up to give customers access”, “you might break it”, “it’s confidential”, “this isn’t a business class product” among other excuses. I asked about port forwarding and was told “you can call tech support and we’ll do it for you”. I use the device as a gateway to a LAN and server so I do need to be in control of my network. In the end I got the password to the unit.
I complained to Imagine about not being able to download a Fedora torrent on their Wi-Max network and was told “we don’t support your torrent software”. When I pointed out that I was able to download the same torrent using a Breeze connection at another location (also part of the Imagine network) and that I was able to support my own network and software (thank you very much) they fixed the issue.
Also this generic “torrents are evil” attitude really annoys me. Client-server downloads are network inefficient and, for a server, especially bandwidth hungry. Peer-to-peer networks make very efficient use of all this broadband we are suppose to have – think “green downloads”. I use torrents in preference to ftp/sftp anytime I can. And seeing as you are getting something like OpenOffice, CentOS or Ubuntu for free it is nice to be able to contribute in a small way by seeding for others. As you say Gthe1 that is what the Internet is about.
Blaming copyright infringement on torrents is akin to blaming drunk driving on cars – and banning cars will certainly eliminate drunk driving.
Traffic shaping, port blocking, firewalling just frustrate legitimate users and in my opinion turn your Internet connection into a crippled one – in other words not “of merchantable quality” and not “fit for its normal purpose”.
I have had my copyright infringed in the past, and was not happy about it. But I would wholly disagree with the tactics of IRMA and their overseas counterparts. Attacking our Internet connections will not protect a dying business model.
First trial: only 1 light signal strenght (in window near computer).can get 2-3 lights upstairs but no access for computer. Logged on to Imagine site ok but it requires more than 1 light. Will talk to service tomorrow. Location-Bray area-believe mast is on Royal Hotel -maybe 600 meters away
I just had a quick meeting with the chap from Imagine and initially I was charmed by the price and the range of service. However, I asked about torrents and P2P and the guy said not a bother and now I read your feedback and am rather dubious. Can any of you confirm beyond doubt that torrents are/aren’t available? I was rather puzzled by the announcement of Eircom blocking access to piratebay.org, where’s Imagine on that?
I had previously broadband with UTV Internet because using eircom lines they provide the same speeds plus the fact I can go unlimited after the promotional period (in the promotional period it was free for 3 months) for only €5.99 and I get the full access to MY router (if what I read here about imagine is true, well, it’s laughable) and suck the whole internet backwards and forwards without anyone telling me OH HEY THAT’S NOT ALLOWED.
I don’t remember what exactly is the contention ratio with UTV (chap from Imagine mentioned 24:1) but I can honestly say that never ever did my connection drop down below the designated speed, network was unreachable for no reason or the service was crippled in any way unless there was some huge problem with the equipment. I should also mention I had it at various locations over the past 3-4 years and at only one place I couldn’t get the full speed due to the fact that eircom haven’t got the right gear in place and once I found that out their customer support team adjusted the pricing plan to what it should be over the phone within the matter of few minutes and gave a refund for the time in between.
If what’s already said here proves to be a sad fact than I think I will go back to UTV, especially now that eircom is putting fibre power in my area anytime now and I can get all that via UTV without drawbacks from eircom.
Any other thoughts?
Have had wimax 2 1/2 months now. In that time the phone has not worked for more than 3 minutes and the broadband would not function. They have now fixed the phone problem but the internet still drops off leaving local access only. On top of this the unlimited service we purchased (we specifically told sales person we do lots of downloads) gets capped midway through month and speed is reduced. This is done under their ‘fair use policy’ after more than 2 months of continuously complaining we have admitted defeat and are cancelling wimax to go to UPC. My advice? Do not touch wimax!
I ave had imagine wimax for 2 months now.. The connection speeds and everything is grand but i can’t download anything through bitlord or any other torrent client.. It’s kinda annoyin me, are we being blocked from doing this or is it just me? i can download the same torrent files on other internet connections.. Is there anyway that i can get them to allow this without saying “i can’t download films and music illegaly” ?
It does seem like a coincidence and I take the Imagine assertion that they do not block or traffic shape with a pinch of salt. Have a look at my previous reply to see how I addressed the problem.
Iam not sure what to do with the web site. Is it for listening to the rocordings if it is i cant get it up.
Every thursday night in ryans was something realy special, ifelt moved like i was witnessing something of excellence and it was live in my local community where i recognicsed the same faces who were all there for the same reason. To move in your seat and want to dance on a thursday night after a weeks work addeded quality to my life. Thank you left. right and centre, and i wish you every happiness
Ann O Brien
Hi Ann,
You should be able to download
* individual tracks, or,
* a zip file containing all the tracks (and a snapshot from the evening) in one file
Try the links on http://frans-tracks.crossen.org/2011/05/25/left-right-and-centre-at-kavanaghs-pub-19-05-2011/ and leave a comment on that page if you have any trouble downloading.
I agree with you completely about the Thursdays at Ryans – they were something really special.
I was wondering if it was possible to make this plugin work with WordPress Multisite. Thanks.
Hi Aldo,
I haven’t tried the plugin with Multisite, but I can’t see why it wouldn’t work, and it is on my to do list.
Download a development version from SVN and try some of the sample apps. If you have any problems let me know.
Update:
The stable version of Tina MVC works fine with WordPress Multisite. The plugin is enabled on a per-site basis and all sites share the same applications.
If you want to use different application folders per site, then you will need to download the development version (http://downloads.wordpress.org/plugin/tina-mvc.zip).
How can I share controllers and views on a multi site with domain mapping ? currently the sample pages only show on the main site and not on the others.
Hi Leo,
If you want to share the same controllers and views across all sites on a Multisite install then just create your controllers as normal and put them into the ‘app’ folder.
In each WordPress site you will need to activate the Tina MVC plugin. Each site will use the same set controllers, views and models from that ‘app’ folder.
Shout if you need more help.
Thanks for the reply
How I activate the plugin for each site. I only see the option in the “Network Admin” to activate that plugin once.
ahh I see. Thank you !!
Hello, Can my current controller use a view from inside another controllers folder ?
Yes, you can. Either:
1) Put the view file in the app folder (not in a sub folder). It is then accessible to all page controllers using
$this->load_view().2) Pass the location as a parameter to the
$this->load_view()function. The location is always relative to the Tina MVC plugin folder. For example:$this->load_view( 'my_view_file' , FALSE , 'path/to/view/file' )Hi,
Can Tina be used on a web site that has commercial purposes without having to open source the web site itself? Not quite sure about the license.
Also any integration with jQuery UI/ extJS ?
Thanks
Hi Atanas,
If you use the version of Tina MVC from the WordPress Plugin Directory then it is GNU General Public License, version 2 (GPLv2) licensed. In that case your Tina MVC application will also be GPLv2 and open source.
I can provide you with a commercial license for Tina MVC if you want. In that case you would not need to open source your app. Contact me if you need more information on this.
> Also any integration with jQuery UI/ extJS ?
There is no need for specific integration with the JS libraries you describe. Just add your JS file using wp_enqueue_script() – usually in the constructor of your page controller, or in the class method (if you only need it on one page). You can also put it in a SCRIPT tag in your view file if you prefer.
I usually use the WordPress supplied jQuery library for my Javascript or AJAX requirements.